Unpacking Joy: Lisane Basquiat on Healing and Legacy

Monica Wisdom: 00:00:08

Welcome and thank you for tuning in to Black Women Amplified, the podcast. Your host, Monica Wisdom, brings you downloadable conversations that matter to women around the globe.

We discuss all things Black girl magic, amplify our voices, and transform our challenges into triumphs. Monica calls on her league of extraordinary women to push our boundaries, share their expertise and stories of personal transformation.

Welcome your host of Black Women Amplified, Monica Wisdom.

Monica Wisdom: 00:00:48

Hello, Black Women Amplified family. This is your girl, Monica Wisdom. And you know, I'm excited that you're here. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast.

Make sure you tell a friend, tweet a friend, text a friend, email a friend and let them know that we have a new episode available.

Also, make sure you visit www.blackwomenamplify.com to get the full Black Woman Amplified experience and join our email list so that you get my weekly newsletter letter. Later, later. Let me get my words together. Y'all know speaking is my second language. Writing is my first language.

So make sure you check out the blog on the Black Women Amplify podcast.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:01:32

Listen.

Monica Wisdom: 00:01:33

Today is going to be an amazing show, so I want to get right into a proper introduction of our guest. I'm beyond excited to bring you an extraordinary conversation with Lisaan Basiat.

She is the epitome of what it means to move through life with purpose, power and grace. Like so many, she followed that blueprint. You know, the one where you go to college, corporate life, marriage.

But when life threw her challenges, she did what a true leader would do. She redefined life on her own terms.

Not only did she create a path for herself, she expanded it to open up pathways for other people with two incredible business, including Shaping Freedom, as well as the Shaping Freedom podcast where she drops knowledge and gems about purpose and transformation and has incredible interviews with extraordinary people that I can't wait for you to hear. So make sure that you follow her over there. Now, let me tell you what else she does if that's not enough.

She, alongside her sister, managed the estate of her beloved brother, Jean Michel Basquiat. They ensure that his vision stays true and his legacy is intact.

So today, ladies and gentlemen, I can't wait for you to meet this incredible, extraordinary person who is a kindred spirit. And I'm so honored that she carved out the time to talk to us about her life, her journey from Brooklyn girl to award winning entrepreneur.

Ladies and gentlemen, please give a warm Black Woman Amplified welcome to Lisan Basquiat.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:03:28

Well, now that you are in a much better space and you're clear on your path I am what inspires you and what brings you joy.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:03:37

Ooh, I love joy. I love joy. I love joy. And joy is different from happy. Happy is like hanging out at a club and dancing and being laughing with friends. That's happy.

It's fleeting. We are blessed with happy moments. Joy is something different. Joy is a way of being.

Joy is trusting and having faith in myself and having faith in the divine and in the. In my life, that my life matters.

I think joy is also what happens when you discover different parts of yourself and you discover kind of the treasure trove of what makes you up and who you are. I feel joy when. And this is going to sound kind of weird, but I feel joy when, like, something trigger.

When I feel triggered by something, and I'm like, ooh, what is that? Oh, I don't like this. I feel like a deer in the headlights right now. And I got a lot more happening in here than I'm able to put into words.

What is this? And digging into that or diving into that and then discovering like, oh, wow, that's what this is.

There's something I need to or that I want to handle and confront. That's joy to me. Because once those things are confronted, what happens is you pull it out by the root.

So everything that was tied to that thing also falls away.

Like, if you're making decisions that are not in your best interest romantically, and you're on a cycle of different face, different name, same, same person, and then you get to number 10 of those jokers, and you're like, wait a minute. Hold on a minute. Lisan, what's happening here? Like, what's happening? What's going on here?

Are you choosing from a place of what you don't want, or are you choosing from a place of what you want? And what I mean by that is, I don't want a guy who wears purple pants. So the next guy doesn't wear purple pants, but he wears red pants.

And I don't like red pants either. So the next guy, and so on and so forth.

But when you get down to the root of it and you pluck that out, that entire decision making, the toxicity in that decision making dissolves and goes away.

And you heal it up not just for yourself, but you heal it up for anyone in your family line who has poured that decision making into you, and you heal it up for anyone that's coming after you. That's joy.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:06:35

I learned that it's like we are multidimensional beings that when we heal, it does Heal.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:06:42

Absolutely.

Monica Wisdom: 00:06:43

All around us. That's beautiful. Now, you have had such a dynamic life, an amazing life, the good and the bad.

It's all been amazing, as you've learned and you've loved and you've lived and you've lost. If you could relive of the most remarkable moments in your life, if you could relive one moment, what would that be?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:07:08

Ooh, this is a very recent moment, very recent that I'm still vibing off of. So if I could relive that one, that'd be fun. I had a milestone birthday a few weeks ago. I turned 60. Happy birthday and my. Thank you.

I'm a Virgo September 3rd and my daughter told my daughter Jessica, who is 31 and she has. My granddaughter Emma is 7. And I have a son, Joseph, who will be 43 on Saturday. And I have a 17 year old grandson, Xavier.

So Jessica says to me, we're going to do something for your birthday and I'm not going to tell you what it is, but it's going to be fun. Just hold this weekend. So I'm like, okay, cool. That done. So that Friday I'm like, okay, so I'm packing. What am I packing?

She's like, just a couple of bathing suits and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, cool.

And I didn't even do any of like the exploration that I would have done at other times in my life to try to figure out what was going on. I was like, I'm going to let this surprise happen. So we get in the car, she comes, she picks me up, she's rented a car. She has a car.

She rented a car. And I'm like, okay. And so long story short, the surprise was that she rented a house in Palm Springs and my son showed up late.

Well, my Virgo sisters, I have two friends, Nicole and Amy, who are my Virgo sister friends. If anyone ever found our text thread, it'd be crazy. Okay, it's insanity. But so they show up.

And then later on that night, that Friday night, my son and my cousin nephew, my son Joseph and my cousin nephew Tyrone shows up, whom I love, love, love. So I'm thinking, okay, we're in this house, my granddaughter Emma's there. Joseph, Tyrone, Nicole, Amy and Jessica.

I'm thinking that's the weekend we're going to hang out for the weekend in Palm Springs. Well, starting the following morning. And I had stayed, we had stayed up to like 4:00 in the morning because it's hot.

So we were in the pool until, like, four in the morning. Starting the following morning, they had people stagger in one by one to wish me happy birthday. I was laying in bed. I was like, I'm so tired.

And they were downstairs, like, barbecuing and stuff. And I'm like, okay, we have a barbecue. They just let me lay down. And they're all downstairs, and I don't know what's going on.

I'm upstairs and I can, like, hear them talking and all that. And then she'd come to the door and say, oh, look what I.

And I'd, like, pick my head up and look, and my friend Elaine is, like, leaping across the room onto the bed, like, happy birthday. And then a few minutes later, someone else would come in. My friend Hyatt from New Jersey and my friend Sharon from New York.

And then I looked up at one point and my sister Shanine is there. And it was just this beautiful, beautiful. My friend Lance, my brother friend lance came from St.

Lucia, and people just came from all over, from wherever they were to share in this beautiful weekend. And we just all hung out all by the pool.

And it was like there was this one moment where I was in the hot tub, even though it was 115 degrees, didn't make sense, but I was in the hot tub with my. With my granddaughter Emma. And from the hot tub, I could see the pool and the back of the house.

And I'm looking, and there's, like a crowd of my friends here, a group of my friends at the table, people at the barbecue grill. And it was just this beautiful moment of love and community. Yeah. So that's what popped up for me.

Monica Wisdom: 00:11:12

Girl, that's your book. That weekend, it was.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:11:18

Oh, my gosh, it was so beautiful. It was so beautiful.

Monica Wisdom: 00:11:22

Thank you for sharing that memory. That is beautiful. That's the perfect. For me, that would be the perfect way to spend my birthday. It was the perfect way.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:11:32

Yes.

And what I loved was also the attention to the little detail that sometimes, especially like, when we're doing events, having to do it with my brother, it can be very overwhelming to have a group of people and then have them all kind of come up to speak with you. This was a different situation. This was personal. And I really appreciated that.

Instead of creating a situation where it was like, surprise and everyone, you know, having that, this is kind of eased in, she created a way to ease in. And for me to truly have a moment of connection with each one of the people who came. So if y'all planning a surprise, that was brilliant.

That was a brilliant way of doing.

Monica Wisdom: 00:12:16

It because I know if a bunch of people came at me with surprise, I would like, I'll be right back.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:12:21

Yeah. And then how do you talk to all the people? Because they're all going to be coming up to try to have their moment and you're overwhelmed.

This was a way to actually take each one of those seeds of a moment, to really plant them deep. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. All thanks to my daughter Jessica.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:12:40

All thanks to that legacy that runs through your family about building community and generosity and expressing love in the moment. So all of that is absolutely gorgeous. Yes. So anybody listening? When I turn 60, this is what I want, but not a need.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:12:59

Do it. Do it for her. Do it for her. Make sure this. You know that it's a little cooler than 100 degrees at 11 o'clock at night, but do it.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:13:11

Yes.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:13:14

Hello, everyone.

Monica Wisdom: 00:13:15

Monica Wisdom here. I am the host and the producer of the Black Women Amplified podcast.

But what you might not know is that I'm also a consultant for women entrepreneurs. I help women entrepreneurs develop their ideas, their brand, and their overall business strategy.

Are you developing a groundbreaking idea or have a wealth of knowledge that could impact the world but unsure where to go next? Business is good, but you're ready for it to be great. With countless ideas racing through your mind, it's challenging to figure out what's next.

I understand you have excelled with top companies, but entrepreneurship feels like a new language. The truth is, you can do this. You've achieved great success for others, and now it's time to achieve it for yourself.

At Monica Wisdom Consulting, we focus on your vision and crafting a clear, concise strategic plan. Your dreams are within reach. You simply need a powerful roadmap to get you there. Are you ready to take the next step?

Book a call and let's discuss your vision and future. You can reach monicawisdomhq.com.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:14:41

Now. Your brother's legacy is a powerful legacy to carry.

How do you navigate the emotions when there are people that are pulling at you for him and you're like, I just need to be with this right now. You know, I just need to. We're not doing this right now. We just need to be ourselves and be a family.

And then when we're ready, we'll share this with you. How do you navigate all of that?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:15:10

Wow. Thank you for asking that, because that has been.

Basquiat, who passed away in: 2013

But I've had times where people sometimes are not always as sensitive as you even are in your asking of the question.

It's like they see myself and my sister and our family, but it's almost like they see Jean Michel, and they don't understand that there's the Jean Michel who's the public Persona and the artist, and then there's the Jean Michel that is my brother who's passed away. And so as we're having these conversations, people aren't always sensitive to that.

And so what it has done for me is it has taught me how to be clearer about my boundaries and not in a way that's nasty or aggressive, because I know that people are doing that out of love and appreciation and care for Jamie Shell and for his legacy. You know, he's an amazing artist. He's been an amazing being for the world and for our culture specifically.

But it really is letting people, like, being very honest with people. So when people say things like, did you know he was an artist when you were seven? Or, how do you feel about your brother not being here?

I often push back on them to say, how would you feel if your brother had passed away and we were in this moment? What kind of relationship did you have with your brother?

How would you feel if somebody were to pick a snapshot in time when you were 17 years old in high school and whatever, and. Or if a friend from high school came forward and claimed themselves to be an expert about your brother, your sister, your mother, your aunt's life?

How would that feel for you? So I think a lot of times, it's really holding up a mirror is the way I navigate it, and also being very authentic and saying, I need a minute.

This is hard. I do a lounging with Lisan. It's. It's a free hour on Mondays, and it's an online thing.

And this past Monday, I decided, finally, that I was going to do this lounging with Lisan about the loss of a sibling because it's a very unique place to be. Because it is. Yeah. It's about watching your parents process their loss and their grief and sometimes as a sibling. Have you lost a sibling?

Monica Wisdom: 00:18:09

Mm.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:18:10

I'm so sorry.

Monica Wisdom: 00:18:11

I tell everybody it's. I've lost my mom, my dad, and my brother. And here you go. I lost me, too. I lost my parents before I lost my brother.

But I tell people that there's such a special language between siblings and a special understanding that people say, well, it's not a child, but it's just something about your brother or your sister.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:18:33

Absolutely. Do you have other siblings?

Monica Wisdom: 00:18:37

Yeah, I do. Well, okay, I have sibling cousins.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:18:41

Okay, I understand, I understand. My cousin nephew. I told you, that's my cousin nephew.

Monica Wisdom: 00:18:47

Okay, yeah, but the nuclear family, I don't. So it's one of those things.

And not here to talk about me, but it's such a special relationship that a lot of people don't understand, especially when you're close. I can't imagine what it's like when the world is. When the world wants your brother and he's not here.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:19:06

Right.

Monica Wisdom: 00:19:07

I don't know that story, but I do know what it feels like when you want your brother and he's not here.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:19:14

Absolutely right. And for us there were three. So if you think about a stool with three legs, there were three and now there were two.

And both Janine and myself were very close to Jean Michel and each had our own relationship with Jamie and had our own relationship with each other within the context of being three.

And so when one of those stool legs goes away, the other two have to now renegotiate Renavigate and reground in a way to hold each other up and to hold the sibling trio up.

Having lost Jean Michel before both of our parents passed away put us in a situation where we watched what happened to our parents having lost a child and how that changed their lives forever in so many different ways. It's unique. It's a unique thing. And so again, last Monday I was.

I'd heard like over the course of a week and a half, I spoke with maybe five or six people who had all experienced having lost a sibling. And that's typically how I decide what the topic is going to be for a lounging. And. And so that was what it was about. And so we meditated together.

We did a forgiveness exercise, a forgiveness medit that I lead, and we just talked about it.

And there were no answers necessarily, but it was a safe space where people who had all experienced a similar thing could talk about it and vent it out without having to use all the words that you sometimes have to use when you're talking to someone who hasn't experienced it.

Monica Wisdom: 00:21:13

I often tell people, if somebody hasn't been through it, don't ever expect that they have the language to have a conversation with you, because unless you've experienced it, there's no language until you experience it.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:21:27

Exactly.

Monica Wisdom: 00:21:28

So it's beautiful.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:21:29

Yeah. And it's not something where two weeks later, it goes on for years and it pops up in different ways. It's a scent of something. It's a song.

It's a moment where those folks, your ancestors, you remember them.

Monica Wisdom: 00:21:48

Yeah, yeah. And you have. Like I said, you have to be reminded of it because you are the executor of the an estate of one of the most prolific artists ever.

And I can't imagine what you go through, but from what I can tell you, you are handling it well.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:22:09

Thank you. I'm trying.

Monica Wisdom: 00:22:12

And the way that you all honor your brother's legacy is beautiful. What you're putting out into the world. And your father did a great job ensuring that he would be remembered.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:22:24

Well, that's right. He sure did.

Monica Wisdom: 00:22:27

Are there any things about your brother that you want the world to know?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:22:37

I would love for the world to take a page from Jean Michel's book. That's what I would want the world to know. That what One of the things that made.

That makes Jean Michel who he is to the world and to the culture is that he was not just a brilliant artist, but fearless in his expression of his art, that he allowed it to come up through and out of him. And I. What I would love folks to know a lot. He left a lot of work. He left a lot of his voice. You know, you can look at his artwork.

That's his journal. So if you want to know about him, do that.

And something to take to pour into yourself is to really consider and contemplate what your life and your world can look like if. When you really tap into the person that you are and why you're here and what it looks like when you have direct communication.

So often we communicate more in our minds than we do with the very person that we're having the exchange with.

So know that it is possible to live a life where you are free and where you are authentically showing up as yourself without worrying about how people are going to judge it or what other people think about it. Give yourself a chance to allow the full expression of who you are to come out.

And I think a lot of times we start that process and then we cut it short. So we never know what the end of the story could be or is invest in allowing it to come out of you and then see what your life can actually be.

Monica Wisdom: 00:24:28

Girl, you are preaching today. Before we pass this plate.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:24:35

Before the.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:24:36

Choir begins.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:24:40

That wafer, before I pull out this Tambourine. That's the word. That's a word, yes.

Monica Wisdom: 00:24:51

Stop stopping. Stop stopping.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:24:53

Don't stop. Yeah, stop stopping. Yeah, that's it.

Monica Wisdom: 00:24:57

Well, now, we've talked about your brother, we've talked about your family, we talked about your challenges. Let's talk about your legacy, the legacy you're building. You have an amazing podcast. You have a couple of incredible companies.

One where you help people navigate lives and rewrite their narratives, and then you have another where you're helping women build their. Their own legacies through entrepreneurship. So tell us about your two amazing companies.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:25:28

Hera Hub is a national company that is supportive of, that is inclusive, I need to be clear about that. And supportive of primarily female entrepreneurs. But it is a. It's open to anyone, quite frankly.

But you're going to feel almost like if you came to my home or to your home, I'm sure, like it'd be the home of a woman. Like you're going to feel that. And if that feels right to you, it's the place for you.

I own Hero Hub Carlsbad here in San Diego, and Hero Hub Carlsbad is a co working space business accelerator. We have programs, we have workshops. We.

Our goal and our intention and mission is to support female entrepreneurs to grow and scale their business and to give them that support. We talked a little while ago about the experience of having lost a sibling and how unique that is.

And there's a conversation that you can have with an entrepreneur that is very different from the conversation that you may be having with friends or with other people.

A lot of times people take their dream of starting a business and they go and they present it to people who cannot support you, who do not understand, and who, quite frankly, could try to walk you out of or talk you out of living your dream.

So what Hero does is it puts you in a space of other people who are doing the same thing, who can hold you up, hold you down, give you advice, support you, and who also understand the nuance of female entrepreneurship, which is, we're women, we're also entrepreneurs, we're daughters, we're mothers, we're cousins. And so that is what Hera Hub is about. If you go to hera hub.com Carlsbad, you can learn more about that business. Amazing community.

Shaping Freedom is where Hera Hub for me is kind of the professional leadership side of the work that I do. Shaping Freedom is the personal leadership side.

It is the side of what I'm sharing with the world that is about family legacy and healing things up so we're not bringing forward.

So first we understand how we've been programmed, why, what our values are, truly not the ones that have been given to us, but really who we are innately and how we can clean up our lives so that we can contribute in a more healthy way to our community, to our families and to ourselves.

s going be launching soon for: 2025

I also have a podcast, the Shaping Freedom with Lisan Basquiat podcast, where I speak with ordinary people who are doing extraordinary things about the topics of family legacy, doing your work, healing, spiritual growth, mental, emotional, physical and spiritual growth and development.

Monica Wisdom: 00:28:41

I was moved by the conversation of choosing not to have children because I chose at a young age this sidebar. But I chose at a young age not to have kids. And, you know, there's this conversation of we need to have children.

Then I heard that, I was like, I'm good. So, yes, your podcast, Anita Warrington.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:29:01

That was a conversation with Anita Warrington. She is so bold.

She's so bold and so clear and talks about things that I think there are these conversations that are happening out in the world, like on the Internets and other places, and then there are these other conversations that are happening that are a step further and a step deeper into, like, how we're made up. And I think that for me, what I know is that we have the right to choose. We have the right to choose the life that we want to live, and that's okay.

And I think it's equally important to be love and for people to feel included and welcomed and like their life decisions are okay. I think we're missing that in the world.

We're so busy putting what we think is right for other people on them, versus allowing people the opportunity to share with us who they are, what they want and what they need. And so Anita speaking specifically about that conversation, she is a model for that, for speaking and living her truth.

Monica Wisdom: 00:30:16

Beautiful. And yeah.

So everybody bookmarked this amazing podcast because it's life changing, because they're having real conversations about real life scenarios and people who live what they talk about. It's a podcast of integrity, if I could say it simply.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:30:34

I'm also having these conversations intentionally with men because I think that there is such a divide. There's a lot of divide right now in this country, and there is this ongoing divide between men and women because Things are changing so much.

And so I have intentionally been having conversations with men as a way of allowing both men and women to hear the voice of the other side, to bridge.

To create a bridge between us where we can connect and define entry points where we can connect so we can step away from what's happening right now, which is very much us against them, guys against women, where the other is the enemy and wrong. So. Yes. So I just wanted to share that.

That is one of the topics, one of the things, the themes of this podcast, and I love the podcast, and if you know of someone who'd be a great guest, please let me know.

Monica Wisdom: 00:31:37

Oh, I already have a list of people.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:31:40

Okay.

Monica Wisdom: 00:31:40

There's some amazing women that have been on my podcast that I think would be perfect for you.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:31:45

So I'd love to interview you on my podcast. Well, I would love to interview you on my podcast, ma'am.

Monica Wisdom: 00:31:52

It's happening. Your people didn't tell you?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:31:55

No, did they? I don't know.

Monica Wisdom: 00:31:57

It's already happening.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:31:58

Okay. Okay. I didn't even realize.

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:01

Listen, she's so fancy. She doesn't know her guest.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:06

I do. It's not tomorrow. It's not tomorrow. So it's not happening this week?

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:13

No, it's not.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:14

Good. I'm so happy to hear that. Okay, good, good, good, good. Nice news.

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:20

That's what happens when you grow up on Bloody Marys. And I'm just kidding.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:27

It could be. I don't know. I'm just trying to make it all happen. Okay, listen, I understand people like, what are you doing in a couple weeks?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:34

I don't know.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:34

What'd you do last week?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:35

I don't know.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:36

I don't even know. My team is the bomb.

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:39

That's an entrepreneur's brain. You focus on what's in front of you right now.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:43

What's happening right now. I'm right here with you right now. But I'm looking forward to that conversation, the one we're going to have on that.

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:49

I'm ready.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:32:50

I know you are. I know you are. We are each other's people. For sure.

Monica Wisdom: 00:32:55

We are each other's people. I just have to thank you for your time. I could talk to you forever. You're always welcome back. This is the beginning for us.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:33:03

I know that.

Monica Wisdom: 00:33:05

Yeah. This is the beginning. So I just want to thank you. How can people find you on the interwebs even though you're very private?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:33:13

Am I shaping freedom? You know, on all this, all the social media platforms shaping freedom, you can just look my name up I have. There's the Lisan Basquiat.com website.

There's the Shaping Freedom.com website that'll connect you to each other. There's Harahub.com Carlsbad. We have both virtual and in person membership. So if you're in the Southern California area, come on down.

Yeah, you can actually join my email list. And we send out a weekly newsletter.

And so that's actually a great way for you to stay abreast of what we're doing and what kind of programs we have going on. And we have tips and tools. And the goal really is to have and help people to have the healthiest family legacy they can possibly have.

There's so much of a focus on generational wealth from a financial perspective. And just like the conversation we had about heart, mental and emotional freedom and clarity is what's going to drive your financial abundance.

And so that's the goal, really.

Monica Wisdom: 00:34:25

Well, thank you for this again, for this conversation.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:34:28

You're welcome.

Monica Wisdom: 00:34:29

Thank you to your family, for each of you making such an impactful difference in the lives of other people. I know people think that your brother was born of an egg like Mort, but he has a full family and a full life.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:34:44

Full, full.

Monica Wisdom: 00:34:46

So thank you for continuing to share the family's legacy with us. And I will be talking to you soon.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:34:55

Yes, she is.

Monica Wisdom: 00:34:55

Ask your team.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:34:57

I will. I'm now like, oh, my God. I gotta go look and see what this is. I hope it's not this week. Cause that's terrible. That means that I am well into my week.

Without looking at.

Monica Wisdom: 00:35:07

Listen, you are focus. You have an enterprise and you are a mogul.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:11

So I get it. This was beautiful. Thank you. I feel so honored to have time to chat with you. And I mean that sincerely.

Monica Wisdom: 00:35:20

I feel the same. You feel the tingles?

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:23

I do.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:24

This is the beginning.

Monica Wisdom: 00:35:26

I do. I really do. Wow. Yeah. Shout out to Billy.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:30

Shout out to Billy. Keeps it together.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:33

Yes, he does. Billy Johnson media repertoire.

Monica Wisdom: 00:35:36

I was like, look at my act together.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:35:41

Yeah, he's. He's the real deal. He's wonderful.

Monica Wisdom: 00:35:44

He is. Well, thank you, my love. And you have an amazing day. And I look forward to our conversation on Shaping Freedom. Black Women amplified.

Family, please give a warm thank you to this beautiful, incredible woman, Lisane Basquiat.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:36:01

Thank you.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:36:02

Take care and have an amazing day.

Lisane Basquiat: 00:36:04

Okay. You too.

Monica Wisdom: 00:36:06

Welcome to the Afterglow with Monica Wisdom. Hello, family. This is your girl, Monica Wisdom. Wasn't that a great conversation with Luciane Basquiat? I'm Just, I'm still glowing.

I'm having my afterglow from the conversation. I love great, honest conversations. Y'all know I'm an introvert, and I don't do small talk well.

I'm awkward in small talk, but when it comes to deep, powerful conversations, I'm right there with you. And although it was an interview, I'm glad she was open to the questions that I asked. It's so funny. Let me give you the backstory.

I wrote out, like, a thousand questions, and I think I maybe asked two or three because the conversation became so organic that I was like, let me just leave that stuff alone and really just be in this moment. Be present and see where this navigates. And as I always do, I prayed before I had the conversation.

I prayed a couple of times, actually, because, like, I was truth moment. I was very nervous about this conversation. And, you know, I have interviewed famous people and leaders and all of the things.

But there's something special about the work that she puts out in the world that I very much admire. Not only the work she puts out in the world, but the way that she does it. And so it's like meeting, you know, when people say, you meet your hero.

And I didn't know much about her, but it was around the time she was doing an exhibit for her brother. She and her sister in the estate were doing an exhibit called King Pleasure, I believe.

And I saw some interviews with her, and I was like, oh, it just came to mind. I was like, oh, I never. You know, you don't think about people having a family and who their family is and what about their family.

So I started Googling. You know, I get on the Google, and I started to see her work. I was like, shaping freedom. That sounds interesting.

So I plopped onto her website, read all of the things, and I said, one day, I want to interview her. But she's probably. You know, that was my first line. She wouldn't. So it took me months to even muster up the courage to ask. And that's.

Sometimes you just gotta go with the flow of that quiet voice because I doubted it would happen. And so one day I woke up and God said, ask her. And so I went on her website and I sent a message in, and about a week later, I got a reply.

And I had to, you know, you open something. I'm reading, and I'm like, is this. And I blinked my eyes. I was like, oh.

Monica Wisdom: 00:38:47

She said, yes.

Monica Wisdom: 00:38:50

And I was so excited. And here's the thing. It's not because of who her brother is, but she's putting work out in the world that I'm putting out into the world.

So it's that she's like minded and it's very.

When you're navigating through entrepreneurship and you're doing your own thing, it's very hard to find people that are in this, like walking the same journey as you and doing it in a way that you want to do it. So her work made me think about my work and what I'm doing.

So even in the couple of weeks that we've been planning, I was planning with her publicist this conversation and even in just like, oh, I need to upgrade my stuff. So I went in and I redid the Black Women Amplified website.

I expanded some things, I took some things away and it was just because I finally saw a blueprint of exactly the direction that I'm going in this point. I've just been doing it out of prayer and lots of mistakes.

And then when I saw her shaping Freedom platform, I was like, oh my God, that's it, that's it. And you heard the conversation.

It was like that moment when she said she saw somebody who was a coach and she was like, that's it, that's what I want to do. So it was one of those moments. I think maybe if I had met Maya Angelou, I would have had the same type of butterflies in my stomach.

But I was very, really, really, really, really excited to talk with her and the conversation was spectacular. So I just wanted to give you a little bit of the afterthoughts of this conversation.

I think that she's doing a beautiful job of what she's putting out in the world. She's honoring her brother's legacy, Jean Michel Basquiat, beautifully.

And through all that she's been through, the loss of her mother, her brother, her father, and all the things that she talked about going through, she is a force of nature.

And I hope that you plug into her, you plug into her podcast and into her world because, you know, Black Women Amplified, we have to amplify each other. So sending you love and light.

I hope that you enjoyed the show and make sure that you Visit our website, www.blackwomenamplify.com and you get to see all the changes that I made because now, ta da. We have an academy and I had an academy on my other website. But I have blended all the things anyway and it's beautiful. I love it. I love my website.

Thanks again for listening. Share with a friend. Listen to the conversation twice because I promise you, she drops some gems. Take some notes.

You know, if you're looking to build your next chapter, are there things in life that you need to shed or unravel? This was the perfect conversation to get deep into that.

This conversation and Rhonda Ross, I think are two of the best conversations when it talks about having those powerful conversations with yourself. Anyway, have an amazing day and thank you for listening to the Afterglow.

Monica Wisdom: 00:41:59

Thank you for listening to Black Women Amplified. We hope you enjoyed the show. Be sure to subscribe and log on to blackwomenamplified.com for more information. Keep shining.